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The History of the Saints in the United Kingdom

Synopsis: Joseph Smith gave a special comission to Heber C. Kimball to bring the gospel to the United Kingdom. From that effort came many Saints who trekked across the plains from the Eastern United States all the way to Salt Lake City. Additionally, one Prophet can from the North Western part of England, John Taylor.

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Mormon Doctrine News: When Children Are Raped, Abused & Killed
international QUOTE (JoePublic @ 9-Mar 10, 6:36 PM)
There is nothing cirminal in trying to provide a better life for your family. They are working HARD for what little they get. Granted, there are some that are criminals because they break more serious civil laws like stealing, and things of that sort. I agree, these ones should be punished, but that applies for both legal or non.


It IS criminal if they do not have papers to work. There IS a law in place and if they break it, then they are doing it willingly. Just because some of them do not rape, kill or steal, doesn't mean that what they are doing is right and it doesn't mean either that they are NOT breaking the law. They ARE.

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Some of us that were lucky enough to be born to a family on this side of the border think that we own this place, but we don't. It really belongs to Heavenly Father, he has set it apart since long, long time ago for His purpose. If He guides and permits anybody to this great land, who are we to dispute that?


If he guides and permits? Are you suggesting that the Lord is helping people to break the law in order for them to provide better for their families? It seems to me you are mixing up God's wishes and the FREE agency of some of these people who choose to go to the US illegally.

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How would you feel if you were one of them? Honestly.  Would you have seeked the US for a better lifestyle for your family? or would you just sit there? I'd be here in a heartbeat. You see, . . .


Maybe that's why you do not see anything wrong with what some of these people are doing. As a NON-US citizen who would like the opportunity to live there, I can tell you that I will NOT go there unless I do it through the proper channels. I live in a banana republic with lots of challenges of every kind, yet I do not feel it is appropriate for me to break the law of another country. It is not honest.

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Sometimes one has to break a lesser rule to comply with a higher one, remember Adam and Eve? 


Sorry but that statement is absolutely sacrilegious in nature in my opinion.

As a person who have lived in third world countries and who also lived legally in the US for a couple of years, I do KNOW what is like to live in a place where you cannot help your family, where no matter how much you try, the needs are big. Having said that, it is not an excuse to do something dishonest and no matter how much we may try to sugar-coat it, illegal immigration in ANY country is a dishonest act.

And of course, it DOES matter whether that same individual becomes a Bishop who supposedly needs to strengthen AND counsel the members on a variety of issues, including HONESTY. Can a person who is not being honest with the law teach others about being honest? I don't think so.

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